Ashfur; Plain crazy, or Somewhat right? - Page 2

**Sneakyfox55** · #11 June 30th, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hope

it definitely sucked that ashfur cared so much for a cat just to have her reject him like she did, over another guy no less. he probably felt like he'd lost everything. howeverrrr:

squirrelflight might've always had him somewhere in her mind, yes. that's most likely due to the fact that he was (i believe) her first love, or at least her first mate. you don't just forget about that kind of person, even if you grow to dislike him. and while yes, she might've never fully gotten over him, but she didn't love him back. she chose bramble over ash, and that should've been that.

she cared about him. yes. she did. as a mate, as friends, etc. however, ashfur always wanted more. he'd always liked her, especially after she returned from the sundrown place. i think him and squirrelflight could've been friends if 1. he hadn't tried to murder her/leafpool's kids and 2. ashfur was okay with that. he'd always been somewhere in her mind but in the end squirrelflight did choose brambleclaw/star and ashfur should've accepted that and moved on.

you can't always get what you want in life, and i guess ashfur was mad about that. he loved her, he gave his time to her, he cared for her, and she ended up choosing someone else. perfectly fine to be mad about, but it's disrespectful to squirrelflight to do what he did. feelings aren't controllable, and squirrelflight liking bramble more had nothing to do with ashfur. the problem was that ashfur took that personal.

what i take away from this is that nobody is technically '100% in the wrong' but that the whole situation sucked & was unfortunate. it was unwinnable. something was bound to go wrong.

THIS
being mad and angry and butthurt and having your heart ache would've been a justifiable reaction, but trying to murder someone's kids because they have feelings for someone else?? a little too far..

oof yeah

**Cobra** · #12 June 30th, 2020, 10:55 PM

ahh hmmm

seriously he got as low as

c'mon dude! thats so lame, i mean

@StealthWarrior @hope @Sneakyfox55

**panchiko** · #13 June 30th, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StealthWarrior

Indeed. Are you like a pro argument essay writer or something? Yo good. But Ashfur wouldn't have died if A. He accepted that Squirelflight loved Bramble, he could be mad, but he would move on, forget her. B. Hadn't tried to literally murder[ her/Leafpools kits. Get it together dude.

imma assuming youre talking to me [wow i sound self-absorbed lol] but if not pFTT this is so embarassing lmao aa,,,, but thank you <3 honestly i just love arguing/debating/talking about my opinion and i just write a bit of a lot of words because i ramble/that's how my thought process works lol,,,, but seriously thank you and YES, exactlyyyy. i mean, i know there's no 'off-button' for feelings or anything but he could've just made an effort to move on. he didn't even try -- though i get that, he was probably too hung up on squirrel to try to move on just yet.

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Originally Posted by Cobralily

c'mon dude! thats so lame, i mean

honestly i wouldn't call it lame --

kinda feel bad for him but he's just

but yeah -- you're not wrong!

**Cobra** · #14 June 30th, 2020, 11:25 PM

no

@hope

**panchiko** · #15 June 30th, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobralily

no

@hope

OH YES YOU'RE RIGHT PFFF sorry im sleepy its like 10pm and im living off like 5 hours of sleep pfffff

other than that though i think my point would still stand

**Cobra** · #16 June 30th, 2020, 11:44 PM

here its almost 1

@hope

**lucidense** · #17 June 30th, 2020, 11:57 PM

I feel like Ashfur wanted Squirrel to feel the pain he caused her, which caused him to go to far. But in the end, he thought he was in the right by revealing the secret, as he said that she was a traitor and deserved this. That could possibly be why he winded up in starclan, sort of like mudclaw. @hope @Cobralily @StealthWarrior