worst leader?

[Fireflower]

who do you think is/has been the worst leader ever in the books?this can mean dumbest,craziest,and just plain most evil leader.

for me i say
rowanstar and onestar,cause i cant pick one

[Mango]

What about Brokenstar Tigerstar the first?

[pomegranate]

I feel like he was very contradictory, splitting apart the clans and then trying to make ammends by fighting and acting like a jerk. Apparently, he did try to be a better father later on, but that still doesn’t change the fact that he was ignorant and horrible.
Not sure if many agree with me? I think Thunderstar does.

[wren]

This really isn’t an evil, horrible, dictator, gory, stupid leader
But I still think pinestar
He was good for most of his life but a bad choice I believe he made was when he left for twoleg’s, I would’ve respected resigning or even turning to become a rouge but it kind of makes me sad that he made that choice in the end game.

[BEAR.]

This really isn’t an evil, horrible, dictator, gory, stupid leader
But I still think pinestar
He was good for most of his life but a bad choice I believe he made was when he left for twoleg’s, I would’ve respected resigning or even turning to become a rouge but it kind of makes me sad that he made that choice in the end game.

he did what he thought would make him happy, and you can't really fault him for that after he spent the majority of his life trying to do the best for his Clan.

the only real issue i have with him leaving is he screwed over sunstar by not giving up his last leader life.

IMHO the worst leader in the series is brokenstar because nothing he did benefitted his Clan in any regard. he just brought chaos and destruction.

[Branch of Life]

Yo I think it’s Firestar XD I don’t know he kind of seemed like a mary sue to me. Not that he did anything wrong 2nd SKYSTAR I won’t give my reasoning...

[Fireflower]

I feel like he was very contradictory, splitting apart the clans and then trying to make ammends by fighting and acting like a jerk. Apparently, he did try to be a better father later on, but that still doesn’t change the fact that he was ignorant and horrible.
Not sure if many agree with me? I think Thunderstar does.
Yo I think it’s Firestar XD I don’t know he kind of seemed like a mary sue to me. Not that he did anything wrong 2nd SKYSTAR I won’t give my reasoning...
i agree with skystar,but what i liked about dawn of the clans is that it showed his view,it shows that no one is just evil.we all have reasons.
but i still hate that idiot.

[SuspiciousMindz]

I feel like he was very contradictory, splitting apart the clans and then trying to make ammends by fighting and acting like a jerk. Apparently, he did try to be a better father later on, but that still doesn’t change the fact that he was ignorant and horrible.
Not sure if many agree with me? I think Thunderstar does.
Not sure how far you got, but I hated him.
Especially hated the Star Flower X Clear Sky ship e.e

I almost gave up cause of it

[pomegranate]

Not sure how far you got, but I hated him.
Especially hated the Star Flower X Clear Sky ship e.e

I almost gave up cause of it

I finished the Dawn ark, but overall whatever ‘nice’ things he did were overruled by all of the horrible choices he made. Even at the end he still made everything worse by being there, in my opinion. Erins could have made his character a bit better.
I hated all of the ships. Just thought that they were pointless and only made me hate him more.

I’ve only ever thought of giving up in Omen. I felt like most of the characters were just background noise.

[Leucos]

Tigerstar I ( no questions asked ) and now that I think about it firestar is kind a gary stue 'perfect' in everyway it seems I can't believe I used to like him >-< . TigerstarII I honestly think they should have stuck with bumblestripe now that I watched simmys video on it and if you saw my rant thread xD. Blackstar.... He just didn't seem to have enough .. Aw to his personality to me and he didn't even take firestars help the first time in the new prophecy ! -_- . Or maybe he did?can't remember . Aand brokenstar. :)

[BEAR.]

Tigerstar I ( no questions asked ) and now that I think about it firestar is kind a gary stue 'perfect' in everyway it seems I can't believe I used to like him >-< . TigerstarII I honestly think they should have stuck with bumblestripe now that I watched simmys video on it and if you saw my rant thread xD. Blackstar.... He just didn't seem to have enough .. Aw to his personality to me and he didn't even take firestars help the first time in the new prophecy ! -_- . Or maybe he did?can't remember . Aand brokenstar. :)

Are you referring to the OG Tigerstar or his inferior clone?

[k!ngk3s]

Brokenstarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Tundra]

Firestar. He just seemed like a Gary Sue... I didn't really like him. Although, Bramblestar is a bit boring but he's not the worst.

[Leucos]

Are you referring to the OG Tigerstar or his inferior clone?
Tigerheart aka tigerstar was for the bumblestripe thing and tigerstar was for the very first book set :) . Also what s OG mean for this? Original gangster or ?..so many abbreviations...

[Spikes]

|| Checkmate ||

OG as in original gang, because we all know tigerstar #1 is the true og.

[BEAR.]

Tigerheart aka tigerstar was for the bumblestripe thing and tigerstar was for the very first book set :) . Also what s OG mean for this? Original gangster or ?..so many abbreviations...

just. original

Tigerstar from the first series was actually a good leader, just not a good cat (given he sought to destroy those who disagreed with him.) He brought ShadowClan back to prosperity after Brokenstar and Nightstar almost destroyed the Clan. That's also part of the reason ShadowClan almost revered him for a long time-- he was like a saving grace, a light in the darkness that consumed them as the plague ravaged them. There's a good chance ShadowClan would've been worse off without his intervention.

His grandson isn't a good leader, and it doesn't help he abandoned his Clan to chase after a ThunderClan she-cat. Can't believe he was allowed to return without an issue.

[Spikes]

True, Tiger did do some crazy fixing after the Brokenstar issue. Somehow getting his nine lives after what he'd done in TC was pretty crazy too, but I've only read the first series and that was a while ago so maybe I'm missing something.

Maybe StarClan gave him those lives because he proved capability? He did make some hard changes that ShC would've been doomed without.

A good leader? Maybe. When it came to TigerClan, he was technically a good leader? He was definitely the leader despite leopard's dual-leadership so-

The whole half-breed treatment thing was still an issue on its own, so even if he was a cruel leader, I can see why he'd be considered good at what he does. He is, it's just that it's hard to respect him in the way he goes about leading.

[Leucos]

just. original

Tigerstar from the first series was actually a good leader, just not a good cat (given he sought to destroy those who disagreed with him.) He brought ShadowClan back to prosperity after Brokenstar and Nightstar almost destroyed the Clan. That's also part of the reason ShadowClan almost revered him for a long time-- he was like a saving grace, a light in the darkness that consumed them as the plague ravaged them. There's a good chance ShadowClan would've been worse off without his intervention.

His grandson isn't a good leader, and it doesn't help he abandoned his Clan to chase after a ThunderClan she-cat. Can't believe he was allowed to return without an issue.
|| Checkmate ||

OG as in original gang, because we all know tigerstar #1 is the true og.
Oh ok ! The part that stuck with me for the original tigrestar was because of the fact that he tried to destroy those who disagreed with him... Didn't tigerheart die before receiving his nine lives? I think he should have just left the clan for good or stayed dead one or the other.:)

[Spikes]

Oh ok ! The part that stuck with me for the original tigrestar was because of the fact that he tried to destroy those who disagreed with him... Didn't tigerheart die before receiving his nine lives? I think he should have just left the clan for good or stayed dead one or the other.:)

For all I know, he could've. If it was revealed in a special edition or any book after the darkest hour, I'd have no idea XD. Doesn't matter anyways, he died in one go as a leader so he didn't exactly get very far in life, given the felidae style death. Thank you in advance, trash gremlin.

I know he comes back via dark forest, even if I haven't read any further than his death, I just don't know much of what happens afterwards. Confusion is fun, so I just roll with what people say because heaven help me if I tried to catch up on the series now XD.

[gemini]

Hear me out! She was so easily manipulated and she kind of just let her clan fall into an state of distress and it was just awful. And the fact that she allowed Tigerclaw to put her into that, it also proved how weak she was.

[Momotaro]

SkyStar

Just an overall jerk.

[Starfall]

Fallenstar
blazingstar

but for real to be completely honest I didn't really like Onestar

[goddess of ducks]

singenight the murder kat




def onestar though
or pinestar. he said yeet i'm out. GL losers

[_Fern_]

Brokenstar is the worst leader!!! He sent kits into battle!! Think of poor badgerfang... :(


I get how people think firestar is a Gary Stu, and I agree, but he was an amazing leader!!

[EmberMoon ☆NightClan★]

BrokenStar,


And TigerStar Would Be Next,
Ovise Resons


(Sorry for my Bad Spelling)

[wickedvirtues]

Probably Tigerheartstar (because he can never live up to Tigerstar), Skystar, or Brokenstar. Leopardstar was eh to me.


Crookedstar is my smol baby though and I will protect him.

[k!ngk3s]

Probably Tigerheartstar (because he can never live up to Tigerstar), Skystar, or Brokenstar. Leopardstar was eh to me.


Crookedstar is my smol baby though and I will protect him.
crookedstar NAME sounds wrong, because hes CROOKED


Brokenstar just no. Brokenstar wanted to beat thunderclan so he sent EVERYTHING THAT HE COULD INTO BATTLE so he is just no

but what If he still alive?

[Senorita*Moon]

Clear sky/Skystar

Because he let his mate Storm down. Having to have her kits in a garage and getting hit by a car with two of her litter?!

[Blazepaw]

crookedstar NAME sounds wrong, because hes CROOKED


Brokenstar just no. Brokenstar wanted to beat thunderclan so he sent EVERYTHING THAT HE COULD INTO BATTLE so he is just no

but what If he still alive?
HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE CROOKEDSTAR?! HE WAS AN HONORABLE LEADER, he suffers from a crooked jaw (hence his warrior name). He was mentored by an evil cat, but even the evil cat, mapleshade had a decent reason! He didn't know!! *runs away and feels sorry for the poor dead cat*

[Blazepaw]

Fallenstar
blazingstar

but for real to be completely honest I didn't really like Onestar
Hmm. Onestar had his reasons, his clans teased him, so he HAD to stop being his close friend, to gain his clans respect.

*hisses*
Glad you crosses out BLAZ(E)ingstars name...

[k!ngk3s]

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE CROOKEDSTAR?! HE WAS AN HONORABLE LEADER, he suffers from a crooked jaw (hence his warrior name). He was mentored by an evil cat, but even the evil cat, mapleshade had a decent reason! He didn't know!! *runs away and feels sorry for the poor dead cat*"WELP"

[Blazepaw]

"WELP"
XD

[Bracken12]

oh.My.Starclan. Do I have alot....

Gosh is this dude stupid. I loved him as Onewhisker. He was sweet, he was loyal, he was friendly. Then, he got it into his stupid kitty head that he had to be this 'oh I don't need anyone, I can do this on my own' leader. Dude, Tallstar chose you because he thought you would STAY FRIENDS with his Thunderclan son! I bet you made Firestar feel awful, like it was HIM that messed up the friendship. And from what I can gather from the AVOS arc, he didn't get a redemption.

This ginger dude, who happens to be Tallstar's Thunderclan son, was okay in his new leader era in The Darkest Hour, and his Super Edition. He was hotheaded, stubborn, prone to hissyfits, and had actual personality. The only time I saw this in the second arc was when everyone was saying graystripe was dead and he was being a good friend and refusing to admit that he was dead. *WHICH FIRESTAR WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG AND GRAYSTRIPE WASN'T DEAD*. The third arc didn't have a moment of 'stubborn, refusing to admit he may be wrong' Firestar. he had become a joke. 'Oh, something's going wrong, Firestar HAS to go help'. The fourth arc had this even more. In the end, I was happy he was killed off. Yet, the prolouge of Bramblestar's SE gave me the stubborn hissyfit Firestar I loved.

Gosh is this dude annoying. I sorta liked him in the First book of the Dawn of the Clans arc, but after that, when he became this egomaniac, sadistic leader who was controlling of every cat and just didn't know when to stay in his own business, I hated him. He was like a gray furred, leader version of Berrynose, but who killed cats just for fits and giggles. And if something happened and it WASN'T his business? He would do something to make it his business. Plus, being mates with the she-cat his SON liked? He's a messed up dude. And I thought in Moth Flight's Vision, I would see a mature, sorta wised up Clear Sky.
NOPE. I was dead wrong. He was even MORE annoying and snotty.

I liked him better as a warrior. He didn't have to be the leader. Deputy he was okay, but he wasn't amazing. Plus, He just had anger issues. Like seriously dude, acting as if Squirrel didn't exist? for a whole arc and half of a super edition? GIVE IT A REST! Sandstorm should have SLAPPED you! yet, I loved his Super Edition. I was refreshing to see him stumble around and not know everything, have Graystripe be a helpful old grandpa, have Daisy be the QUEEN she is.
But the guy's trying to be Firestar 2.0. Dude, we have your nephew being Tigerstar II. We don't need another set of clones. Tigerstar clones are enough. he just needs to be his own cat. Then we'll talk about bumping you up higher on my list.

Those are the only ones I have energy to rant about.

[Sav]

mmm,
i dont really like onestar

[Freesia]

I haven't read the books in a while, but I never really liked Bluestar. IMO she was really toxic.

[Fireflower]

actually scratch my first post:its Tigerstar(Heart) i hate him and he knows it. i don't know how he got his way in the end,but Dovewing needs better than Tigerstar and bumblestripe to be fought over.

[Senorita*Moon]

actually scratch my first post:its Tigerstar(Heart) i hate him and he knows it. i don't know how he got his way in the end,but Dovewing needs better than Tigerstar and bumblestripe to be fought over.

Your actually right. I have book 5 & 6 of The Vison Of Shadows book. But I don't wanna give out spoliers for the people who didn't read book number 5 & 6 yet. So for people who read the book and people who want spoilers, then open this So in book number 6, Tigerstar made SkyClan leave. Also Juiperclaw used deathberry seeds to poison SkyClan's prey which lead to poisoning Sparrowpelt. Also Tigerstar said his clan can cross SkyClan's border when SkyClan said they couldn't. But in the end, everythng was sort out.^.^

[silvertail000]

He basically ruined everything.

[BEAR.]

Your actually right. I have book 5 & 6 of The Vison Of Shadows book. But I don't wanna give out spoliers for the people who didn't read book number 5 & 6 yet. So for people who read the book and people who want spoilers, then open this So in book number 6, Tigerstar made SkyClan leave. Also Juiperclaw used deathberry seeds to poison SkyClan's prey which lead to poisoning Sparrowpelt. Also Tigerstar said his clan can cross SkyClan's border when
SkyClan said they couldn't. But in the end, everythng was sort out.^.^

A valid reason to hate Tigerheart is simply that he shouldn't have made it to leadership. He died, plain and simple, and the Erins decided to make it possible for StarClan to resurrect him with the lives ceremony once his body was dragged to the Moonpool. It's ridiculous.

I still stand by my opinion that Brokenstar is the worst in the series, but Tigerheart is another bad leader (for different reasons.)

[Senorita*Moon]

A valid reason to hate Tigerheart is simply that he shouldn't have made it to leadership. He died, plain and simple, and the Erins decided to make it possible for StarClan to resurrect him with the lives ceremony once his body was dragged to the Moonpool. It's ridiculous.

I still stand by my opinion that Brokenstar is the worst in the series, but Tigerheart is another bad leader (for different reasons.)

Ture.

[Shyfawn]

The worst leader to me has always been Firestar. Of course there have been more blood-thirsty and tyrannical leaders like Tigerstar, Brokenstar, etc. But its already well known that those types of characters instantly qualify as "Horrible Leaders." Firestar is by far one of the worst leaders in so many ways. First off, I don't think he earned the right to be leader. Out of all the characters that deserved the deputy then leadership role... AHEM WHITESTORM *COUGH COUGH*, Bluestar chose Firestar. But then again, Bluestar wasn't at her best during the last few moons of her leadership. Also Firestar isn't a fully clanborn cat, in my opinion, kittypets, loners, and rogues who join the clan shouldn't be allowed to become deputy or leader. Its unfair to the clanborn cats who should be the first pick instead of some outsider. Thirdly, Firestar is a pushover. He brought in so many kittypets and loners out of pity and sympathy which in my opinion didn't really do a whole lot of good for ThunderClan and was completely unfair to many of the other clanborn warriors who had to fight for their respect. On top of that, he was WAY to friendly and nosy in the other clans lives. He always seemed to put other clans first over his own which isn't what good leaders do. Firestar can never seem to do anything wrong in the eyes of StarClan and he is totally a Mary Sue and not worthy of leadership.

[SSL]

I suppose I'm with a lot of cats in the series when I say Rowanstar left a lot of cats down when he didn't do anything about the rogues on his territory. Course. Then again. We wouldn't have a lot of AVoS if he had I suppose.

[Gold]

Firestar, so mary-sue-ish! and Onestar, as soon as he became leader, he turned on Firestar.
Just started Omen of the Stars, so I think that explains why I do not have other cats on here.

[-Swan-]

My first thought was Onestar. Honestly though, it's sort of a tie between Firestar and Skystar. Firestar for being so Gary-Stu and Skystar for making some of the worst desicions ever.

[Sharp moon]

Eh I kinda say Bluestar cause when I got to the part when she blamed StarClan for things she stopped honoring them..and she's the leader then she dies and goes to StarClan .-.
Sorry...it's just my opinion!

[MattTheCat]

I don't mind the need for rogues and whatnot to create the story for AVoS but I have to agree that Rowanstar was just kind of a boring leader to follow. He never did anything about the rogues and eventually just gave up and died. Probably the highlight of his leadership was his death (not because he died but because he for once actually did anything at all)